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[Ondra.kl]

Já nevím, jestli bych to rozmazával, a spíš doufám, že se toho nechytí česká média. To, co napsal Rick, je prasárna a museli bychom se od toho distancovat.

[Vaclav.Malek]

Zavedl jsem s Amelií hovor na téma utrácení veřejných peněz a nakonec se debata rozrostla (jako obvykle ) na, myslím, celkem zajímavé čtení:

http://www.kolaja.eu/cgi-bin/blosxom/po ... Parliament

Amelia Andersdotter (AA): In my view, Central and Eastern Europe represent some form of hope for the future: this was made particularly clear to me in the case of Poland and ACTA—all of these young people suddenly standing up for their right and their interest in having communications regulated democratically and in their favour. But also I recognise that something like the Pirate Party can only arise in a system where there is fundamentally some belief that democracy is OK (like Sweden). The reason the Pirate Party starts in Sweden and not in the Czech Republic to begin with is that Czech people have too difficult time to Believe That It Works, even if it does work. But Czech people will have to carry the belief forward after that because the Need for Hope is greater in the Czech Republic than in Sweden somehow.

Marcel Kolaja (MK): The Pirate Party could have been possibly started in Central or Eastern Europe too. But the difference is that such new paradigms are much more catchy in developed democracies, where people have their belief in democracy. Compare the Pirate Party member counts in Sweden or Germany and Czechia or any Eastern Europe Pirate Party. People can get angry and protest in the streets, as we've seen in the ACTA case, but the whole political system is perceived as so corrupted that people don't believe that they can change things through it.

AA: And so the challenge is how to get away from that I believe going through libraries, legitimate interest groups like doctors, and so forth. The problem is resources and time.

AA: But so, we need some form of leadership. Say for instance asking help from libraries in the Czech Republic to discuss copyright reform to ensure intergenerational cultural dialogues—How can I find out about the Czech Republic and what happens there? Popular culture! So we need better systems for that kind of social integration, and luckily we have the Internet. It helps me, a young European, no memories of the cold war etc., to find out how the Czech Republic was in the 1970s.

AA: Organise with doctors on medical databases, these discussions on spyware: Who needs spyware? Spies. Where are the spies? Where do they procure from? It's increasingly relevant that were digitalising a lot of systems and putting them on the Internet where intelligence agencies and militaries are trying to play war. So doctors should be concerned with this. Maybe thematic evening discussions with doctors in all places close to Brno? Just send out like 15 e-mails to various local clinics near your house and ask if they'd be interested in such a discussion. You make a very short A5 flyer (maybe double-sided even if you're ambitious) in black and white which details the problem and ask if they'd like to talk about this, because it's important, and it's about the future.

AA: Or you're into Bitcoin—you could organise with local cafés in Brno a discussion on how local currencies can be helpful to them. Maybe buildons to Bitcoin How do we make a Brno Bitcoin that suits the purposes of the transactions that people want to make in Brno? While at the same time allowing for the system to be part of the larger Bitcoin system?

MK: As another example, the fact that we perceive corruption differently also influences how we stress transparency. Czechia has an urgent need for transparency as a beginning of fight against corruption. We need to know who sponsors politicians, where the money flows, what government and law makers do. We need to implement restrictions on how public money can be used. We oppose using public money for political parties doing their PR. This is what led us where we are in the first place. This is why it's so hard for the Pirate Party to compete with established political parties. I want easy access of new paradigms into politics. I want new coming political competition to be able to compete with the Pirate Parties. I do not want the Pirate Parties to become the same political parties what the current ones has become.

AA: OK, so on transparency: Sweden believes it's the most transparent country in Europe. We are incredibly proud of our transparency requirements.

AA: In reality there's many problems with this. Often connected with outsourcing: if a certain government activity is outsourced and then subcontracted, how do you find out who makes the rules and who makes the ethical decisions? You don't.

AA: When chiefs for public administration are recruited from recruitment firms their recruitment process is closed, so how do you find out? You don't.

AA: The Swedish transparency principles are based on the idea that we have the right to find out what's decided AFTER IT'S DECIDED. It means that open government data is a big problem for us, for instance. Our transparency mechanisms as they are are not cut out for it.

AA: The way in which Stockholm is lobbied is also strange. It's difficult to find out who influences what and where. Often it appears arbitrary, strange. People know people (good networks!) and get recommended. Often Stockholm people.

AA: Financiation of political parties is also a new thing that we've realized we don't know: normally donations are considered private and not seen as useful for others to know. So there's this ongoing campaign to figure out how the conservative parties in Sweden are funded.

AA: It's a challenge. Sweden has been stable for at least 500 years, we never had any big fights on our own territory after making peace with the Danes in the 1650s. Now suddenly modern society is here and trying to make all sorts of demands on our institutional apparati and it's all a bit traumatic.

AA: Sweden is a good place in many respects, but also suffers some identity problems. Much like everywhere.

[anonym72078]

1.Christian Engström - Stockholm
2. Amelia Andersdotter - Bryssel/Uppsala
3. Rick Falckvinge - Stockholm
4. Anna Troberg - Stockholm

[Tomas.Klapka]

1.Christian Engström - Stockholm
2. Amelia Andersdotter - Bryssel/Uppsala
3. Rick Falckvinge - Stockholm
4. Anna Troberg - Stockholm

To je finální pořadí? Předpokládám, že ano, ale nic si k tomu nenapsal

[Vaclav.Malek]

1.Christian Engström - Stockholm
2. Amelia Andersdotter - Bryssel/Uppsala

To je finální pořadí?

Pokud vím, bohužel ano Poslal jsem k tomu Amelii můj osobní komentář. Celkem čítal pouhé jedno slovo. Bylo anglické, čtyřpísmenné a začínalo na f.

EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiUz_akTmcY

[Roman.Kucera]

Co vám vadí na Engströmovi? Málo lítá po světě?

[anonym72078]

Jestli jste hodně drsní, můžete, pokud vím, napsat Amelii na naší kandidátku . Jinak bychom IMO měli respektovat demokratické rozhodnutí Švédů a příště začít dřív "lobovat". Ivanův post na FB byl výborný, ale přišel moc pozdě a samo o sobě je to málo, aby to věci změnilo. Nemá cenu se teď do Christiana navážet. Vyhrál a Švédy povede on. Takže je to partner pro jednání, ne nepřítel.

[Marcel.Kolaja]

Co vám vadí na Engströmovi?

Porovnej výsledky.

[Tomas.Klapka]

Porovnej výsledky.

My, co nemáme přehled o zahraničních zdrojích informací (a nebo neumíme jazyky) vůbec netušíme, kde jsou nějaké výsledky k dohledání.
O aktivity ZO jsem se začal více zajímat až v rámci blížících se voleb do EP (což je samozřejmě škoda, ale myslím, že nás bude víc takových).
Kde ty výsledky najdu?

[Tomas.Klapka]

Porovnej výsledky.

Kde ty výsledky najdu?

Co si vzpomenu z hlavy:

Amelia:
* klíčová role v zastavení ACTA (zpravodajka prvního výboru, který ACTA doporučil odmítnout)
* příprava Pirátů z EU na vstup do EP pomocí stáží
* informování o dění v EP pomocí blogu a seriálu #exile6e
* komunikace s ostatními PP
* uspořádání návštěvy YP EP
* časté pořádání debat v EP napříč politickými frakcemi, konfrontace ostatních frakcí s pirátskými myšlenkami
* aktivní spolupráce se Zelenými v EFA/Greens

Christian:
* zásadní přínos ve formulaci společného stanoviska EFA/Greens k informačním monopolům
* spoluautorství knihy The Case For Copyright Reform