TZ unos 3 piratu v Tunisku

[Marcel.Kolaja]

Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 23:52:14 +0100
From: Thomas Gaul <thomas.gaul@piratenpartei.de>
To: Wikileaks-coordination <wikileaks-koord@pippin.bash.info>,
pp-leaders@pp-international.net
Subject: [Wikileaks-koord] Minutes of todays meeting - next meeting
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Dear Pirates!

The minutes of todays meeting is posted below.

The next meeting will be on tuesday, 08:00 pm CET unless important
things happen in Tunisia or elsewhere.

Please consider my last email. Definitely, we are political parties,
carrying weight on the most important issues the people of the world
consider of value like e.g. freedom of speech.

So on that behalf: contributions for http://freetunisia.net are needed.
Tunisia is just the start for quite a lot of countries beeing suppressed
for decades. Who else than us pirate parties will offer help in trying
to change the future for people beeing suppressed.

Personally I am still waiting for any action or any comments from e.g.
Reporters without borders after the release of our fellow pirates in
Tunisia. To be honest: the action belongs to us. Nobody else seems to care!

Things in Tunisia seem to be quiet. So the media. Do you believe in it?
At the moment at least 6 figureheads of the old regime are actually in
charge of procedures in Tunisia. And in "no way" do they bother about
Ben Ali...

They didn't even think about getting opposed Tunisians to get on board
except Slim. And he actually occupies a position of the least
importance. We do have to get involved and support the first steps on
democracy in Tunisia. And take in mind, Tunisia might be the first
country in a line of a whole region in the need of change.

We ARE a politcal movement and as far I have learnt we stick to each
other on. In a solidarity move we should act and contribute opinions to
the internet. Freetunisia.net is only one of the ways we could act on.

Please consider my thoughts. Contact me if any other questions come into
your mind. And if you might offer help in any way, contact me anyway.
Please do so!

Have a good night! And see you on Tuesday on apophis.ch.

Best regards

Thomas


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Mumble-meeting 2010-01-23, 08:00 pm CET

Mumble-Server: apophis.ch

PLEASE DO USE PUSH-TO-TALK - you'll be muted otherwise!

Participants by country:


Austria
# Peter Stadlmaier a.k.a. "Ohm" (Board Member)

Germany
# Thomas Gaul (Coordinator)
# Wolfgang Dudda (Board, in function Secretary General)
# Nico Kern §§

Catalunya(Spain)
# Xavi Vila (Secretary General)

Canada
# Mike Bleskie (PPCA Director-at-large)

Russia
# Artem Karimov (Representative)

Tunisia
# PPTN

*Agenda *
1 welcome/opening of the meeting
opened 08:03pm CET
chaired by Thomas Gaul
secretary for the meeting: Artem Karimov(Mike Bleskie ass't)
2 Main Topic

* events in- al-Dschumhūriyya at-Tūnisiyya - الجمهورية التونسية

* March to the capital, protesters wants RCD out of the interim govt

* One of Ben Ali's ministers arrested

* Private TV channel (Hannibal TV) president charged with treason,
faces death penalty.

* Ben Ali's family fled (Canada, Switzerland), no action toward it

* Other protests in curfew areas


Interim government of Tunisia

* President : Foeud Mbazaa

* Prime Minister : Mohamed Ghannouchi

* Foreign Minister : Kamel Morjane

* Interior Minister : Ahmed Friaa

* Defense Minister : Ridha Grira

* Commerce Minister : Mohamed Jegham



* further development/expectations

* Schools will officially opentomorrow, however teachers will be
striking

* Will be a lot of protests tomorrow


* further actions (or reports on)

* repeat: VPN ready to go. Up to 300 users simultaneously.

* repeat: articles for http://freetunisia.netneeded. Any ideas?
Contact Thomas Gaul.

* http://www.tunisiawatch.com/

* repeat: pptn and other Tunisians asked to write articles for
freetunisia.net and post videos

* repeat: lawyer-only mailinglist - contact Thomas Gaul if you are a
lawyer and want to help, or know one

* Canada: Mike Bleskie, PPCA will try and contact MPs, Foreign
Affairs on their decisions regarding the situation in Tunisia

* Belgium putting out call for lawyers

* PPTN working on media projects

* Also trying to look at SMS services

* Constitution of Tunisia

* http://confinder.richmond.edu/admin/doc ... tution.pdf

* PPTN will study the matter of pushing human rights into the
constitution

* Barcelona declaration

* http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2 ... 124236.pdf


* Summary of todays meeting for freetunisia.net

* Native English speakers are encouraged to contribute to the blog


3 Any other business

* None


4 Next Meeting

2011-01-25, 08:00 pm CET

5 Closing of Meeting

closed 08:38pm CET


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[Emil.Havran]

na FB page vtrhli antiislamisticti trollove, zacinam uvazovat o tom, ze je zacnu banovat, protoze realne toxikuji diskuze a provoz
ale chci znat nazor ostatnich, je to prece jen osidna vec

[Martin.Broz]

Muzes mi liknout alespon jeden jejich projev? Ja to nevidim, nebo me to splyva.

[Emil.Havran]

tady aspon neco, v podobnem duchu to jede uz nekolik dni
v podstate je to tak, ze ke kazdemu postu se vzapeti objevi vyhranenen antiislamisticky komentar cca od tri opakujicich se ID

David Beneš První a poslední internetová revoluce v Egyptě.
Do roka a do dne přide nějaká fatwička na internet. Al Azhar již pilně pracuje na znění.
Před 2 hodinami · To se mi líbí ·

Svobodu pro Tunisko Tunisky hashtag je #sidibouzid, Davide proc se toho tak bojis??! Kdyz egyptane budou to chtit tak to bude a ty to neovlivnis (BH)
Před 2 hodinami · To se mi líbí · 1 osoba

David Beneš Tak představa, že celá severní Afrika se přemění na šariatské režimy resp. islámské teokracie skutečně není příjemná. Na druhou stranu, je to i částečné pozitivum v tom, že by se pročistil vzduch, padl euromed a podobné zhůvěřivosti. Lepší čitelný nepřítel než vzduchoprázdno, které se v nepřítele může kdykoliv změnit.
A ještě něco, pokud vám tedy tenro možný ( a dle mého pravděpodobný) scénář, kdy oligarchii nahradí islámská teokracie nevadí, tak se ovšem neohánějte silnými slovy jako svoboda či demokracie.
Přibližně před hodinou

David Beneš Koukám, že se tu slezla anarchokomunistická sběř a plesá nad údajným začátkem neomarxistické revoluce, kteroužto spatřuje v nynějších nepokojích v sev.Africe. Možná by měli vyměnit potisk na tričkách a místo masového vraha Guevary, tak prsknou nějakého ajatolláha resp. soudruha imáma. )

[Martin.Broz]

No. To blokovani je naprdlacku. Popravde si rekneme, ze je to uplne fuk, co tam kdo z nich pise.
Nejvetsi ctenost maji puvodni komenty ze zdi a ty podle statistiky maj super ctenost, nekde kolem 2200 denne.
Ty komentare ne. Hodne k tomu prispiva PN. Tam ale uz funkce teto stranky stagnuje a rekl bych, ze se vycerpala (unudila).
Udelame ji trochu jinak a flakneme tam Iva senatora. OK?
S tema kokotama bych nic nedelal. Nejlepsi obrana, je ignorovat je. Oni to pak sami zabali. Nebudou ziveni podnety.

[Emil.Havran]

ok, klidne to na PN predelej
a ja je asi kdyz bud mit chut zacnu presouvat do spesl diskuze, je fakt, ze ignorovani funguje

[Martin.Broz]

kaja.novota@seznam.cz

Dobrý den,
již delší dobu sleduji skupinu "Svobodu pro Tunisko", odkaz: http://www.facebook.com/svoboduprotunisko . V posledních dnech se bohužel začíná profilovat silně proislámsky. Lidé, kteří varují, před možnou islámskou revolucí jsou ze skupiny vyhazováni, je jim zakázán přístup a jejich texty jsou mazány.

Jako volič České pirátské strany jsem z tohoto trendu značně znepokojen. Jelikož islám považuji za odpornou ideologii antagonickou na zásady ČPS, začínám přemýšlet o nějaké protiakci (ideálně medializace). Proto se pro jistotu ještě ptám, zda to, co se děje ve výše zmíněné skupině je (či někdy bylo) v souladu s myšlenkami ČPS.

Děkuji za odpověď.

Karel Novotný

Tohle prislo na redakci PN. Osobne sem si nevsim, ze by se stranka profilovala jako proislamska.
Souvisi to nejak s temi spamery?

[Emil.Havran]

ano, to souvisi s moji vcerejsi snahou to tam nejak usmernit, mozna mu staci vysvetlit, ze je to projekt PN
nekdo ze spravcu zrejme jednoho islamofoba jeste prede mnou zabanoval, nevim ale kdo

EDIT: Hlavne on to prehani, jedine co se stalo, ze jsem nadhodil otazku, jak reagovat na stale opakujici intezivni poznamky antiislamistu, zda je banovat ci ne, samozrejme ze nasledna diskuze se ubirala uplne jinym smerem
Islam tam nikdo pokud vimnikdy nepropagoval, naopak Tunisane kteri tam prispivaji, se vyjadruji "demokraticky"
ale samozrejme, ze islam je soucast jejich spolecnosti a tak se ohrazuji, kdyz tam do nich porad nekdo keruje, ze nikdy zadnou demokracii mit nemuzou dokud se absolutne islamu nezreknou. Samozrejme, ze je to i v rovine pausalizaci a generalizaci, typu ze vsichni Arabove nemohou byt z podstaty demokraty a tak.

[Marcel.Kolaja]

Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:25:02 +0100
From: Thomas Gaul <thomas.gaul@piratenpartei.de>
To: pp-leaders@pp-international.net,
Wikileaks-coordination <wikileaks-koord@pippin.bash.info>
Subject: [Wikileaks-koord] Minutes of todays meeting - next meeting on
sunday 2011-01-30 08:00 pm CET
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Dear Pirates!

Things are fast going. Look at the changes in the Tunisian government
just some "hours" ago. This might happen to other countries in the
North-African and Arabien Region. We all are monitoring the protests in
several countries being in an uproar situation.

Still, we have to focus our views into the "uproar"-region because real
democracy seems to be on the way there. And our common thoughts are the
very basis the thoughts are based upon.

But for now, the minutes are posted below and the next meeting will be
on Sunday at 08:00pm CET.

Hope to see you at the meeting in sunday! Let us help other regions
establishing real democracy!!

Best regards

Thomas

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*Minutes of the Mumble-meeting 2010-01-27, 08:00 pm CET*

Mumble-Server: apophis.ch

PLEASE DO USE PUSH-TO-TALK - you'll be muted otherwise!

Participants by country:

Germany
# Thomas Gaul (Coordinator)
# Wolfgang Dudda (Board)
# Nico Kern §§

France
# Paul Da Silva

Russia
# Artem Karimov (Representative)

Switzerland:
Thomas Bruderer (Board)

Tunisia
# PP TN

*Agenda *
1 welcome/opening of the meeting
opened 08:06pm CET
chaired by Thomas Gaul co-chaired by Paul Da Silva
secretary for the meeting: Artem Karimov
2 Main Topic

* All Arab countries

* People lost fear, becoming more and more active


* Tunisian Republic - al-Dschumhūriyya at-Tūnisiyya - الجمهورية التونسية

* interim govt not popular

* TV is censored

* nothing about kicking away RCD ministers

* protests will become more active

* rumored that Twitter, Facebook, mobile internet to be cut tomorrow

* will try to keep sensitive IPs in secret

* Arab Republic of Egypt - Dschumhūriyyat Misr al-ʿarabiyya -
جمهوريّة مصرالعربيّة

* unemployment, much like in Tunisia

* 80 000 on the streets

* lesser censorship, word spreads faster

* Hosni Mubarak to pass his crown to the son

* Republic of Yemen - al-Dschumhūriyya al-Yamaniyya - الجمهورية اليمنية

* 10000 people involved in protests to day

* Kingdom of Morocco - al-Mamlaka al-Maghribīya - المملكة المغربية

* PP Morocco cannot register

* will try to press on international Morocco embassies

* People's Democratic Republic of Algeria - al-Ǧumhūriyya
al-Ǧazāʾiriyya/- /جمهورية الجزائرية الديمقراطية الشّعبية

* Protest continues

* further development/expectations

* -


* further actions / reports

* repeat: VPN ready to go. Up to 300 users simultaneously.

* repeat: articles for http://freetunisia.netneeded. Any ideas?
Contact Thomas Gaul.

* repeat: pptn and other Tunisians asked to write articles for
freetunisia.net and post videos

* repeat: lawyer-only mailinglist - contact Thomas Gaul if you are a
lawyer and want to help, or know one

* finishing of the dossier for Amnesty International

* preparation of server for PP-TN, admin will log in tomorrow

* 1000 live-CDs on the way to Tunisia from Europe. Delivery will be
completed by the middle of February. Post office in Tunisia fails
though. Planning to distribute CDs among Tunisians, Egyptians and
other Arab nations.



3 Any other business

* bring some people to Tunisia?Maybe later.

* http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/1/27/pirate ... s-arrests/


4 Next Meeting
2011-01-30 08:00 pm CET

5 Closing of Meeting
closed 08:43pm CET





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[Jaroslav.Kucera]

Jestli je v Tunisku stále uplatňována cenzura televize a sdělovacích prostředků, asi by měl náš(pokud je ještě náš ) ministr odstoupit a nemlčet o tom. Protože tam se to ještě asi dost pomele.