PPI GA Online 22nd April

[Vojtech.Pikal]

P5ipravil jsem si appointment, prosím o kontrolu a podepsání vedoucím: https://wiki.pirati.cz/zo/1_2017

Jdu pracovat na otázkách

[Vojtech.Pikal]

Zasláno:

Dear Court of Arbitration of PPI,

on behalf of PP-CZ i would like to ask a preliminary question, according to par. XIVa. (6) of the Statutes

"The Council of the Court of Arbitration may answer the preliminary questions of the organs and individuals about the interpretation of the Statutes and the internal regulations; such answers act through their persuasiveness only."

The question is concernin terms in adopted Affiliation fees Calculation: http://wiki.pp-international.net/Affili ... alculation

[*]for each elected pirate on national level times two,
[*]for each elected member of a regional parliament times 1/5,
[*]and for each elected member on a local level times 1/10.

What does the term "pirate" and "member" mean in this context?

I would suggest that "pirate" is a wider term, meaning
a) a member, or
b) person who is not member of any party, nominated on single or joint ticket by Pirate Party(PPI member).

And member to mean an individual who is full member of the Party(PPI member)


Best regards,

[Vojtech.Pikal]

a

Ahoy, Board,

I have few things regarding upcoming General Assembly;

1) I would like to register myself as a deledate for PP-CZ, viz: https://wiki.pirati.cz/zo/2_2016

2) I would like to inform you, that at the same moment, we in Czech Pireta Party have meating of our Council, which means that most of us(including myself) will have other other things to attend to, as national election in Czechia are quicky aproching.
When all the motions will be published, I will send an writen vote on them through this email and would wish if it can be taken into account.

3) We dont have any motions or proposals or nominations to board or other positions.

4) Ragarding the 2016 Membership fee,
a) we can afford it and ask for no discount
b) we think that yout estimate is wrong, mainly, at the end of 2016 we had 1 elected pirate on national level(not a member but indepent nominated by us), 9 elected members on regional level, and about 20 members elected localy (not sure as people are stepping out or up and entering or leaving the party)
Our estimate is 205 € for 2016 (and 211 € for 2017, as HDI went up). I created a tool for that: https://goo.gl/forms/WC6jEl1j4OvR3Yz03
c) If we pay our fees, can PPI provide us with a reciept or invoce or anylegal document we can put into our accounting?
d) does PPI meet the transparency requierement as stated? http://wiki.pp-international.net/Deciso ... hip_fees_2
PPI will display all the details of all the transactions, as previously decided on 1st General Assembly meeting.[4]
PPI is obliged to publish all the bank statements of all the accounts online [5]

Best regards

Tím zatím hotovo, čekám na (vaše) odpovědi.

[Vojtech.Pikal]

Další korespondence:
Dear Vojtěch,

Indeed, there is a need to clarify some of the language in the statutes, and I look forward to working with you on this issue.

1) I have added your name, as well as the names listed in the letter you provided to our delegates list for the upcoming GA: https://ppi.piratenpad.de/161
Please note that your name was not listed in the online statement, so let me know if the inclusion of five delegates was correct: https://wiki.pirati.cz/zo/2_2016

4) I noticed that you revamped the Wiki finances page, which I keep updated with our account balances and relevant information. Thank you for taking the initiative to assist in the financial clarifications. The division into separate pages was a good idea and something that I was meaning to do. I noticed that the table for 2015 affiliation fees was erased. The 2015 table was published in 2016, and it needs to remain there. Again, these are purely estimates, and it is the responsibility of each party to pay what it thinks it should or can. Likewise, I do not want to get into any conflicts with parties or have any parties not wanting to participate in PPI due to the affiliation fees. These fees have never been collected, and we appreciate that you are taking seriously this attempt to finally collect them.

Please note that the statutes state: "The first fees are due the next financial year." http://wiki.pp-international.net/Deciso ... hip_fees_2. So, the 2015 fees are due in 2016 and the 2016 fees are due in 2017. This is why the old table for 2015 affiliation fees that were published in 2016 needed to remain somewhere on the current page: http://wiki.pp-international.net/wiki/i ... did=364152. Perhaps we can just move them to a separate page, so they don't clutter up the current page, and then we can just leave the most current year on the main Wiki? Feel free to update the page further. Your assistance is appreciated.

The 2017 affiliation fees will not be calculated or due until 2018, as stipulated by the PPI statutes. The COA ruling that you referenced was from 2014, and it refers to the 2013 affiliation fees. Affiliation fees were calculated for 2014 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/ ... /pub?gid=1), but these fees were not collected. In 2015 it was decided then to request affiliation fees, hence in 2016 affiliation fees were due for 2015. This year affiliation fees are due for 2016, and so on. Affiliation fees are largely voluntary, and we do need to figure out an easier way to streamline the affiliation fee calculations. Please feel free to contact me separately, and we can work on a proposal.

Regarding the lay auditors, I notice that two of these members are from PP-CZ. Technically, they were supposed to be the ones sending quarterly updates on the accounts, which I have been doing. Could you perhaps put us in contact? "Three replacement Lay auditors were elected at the 2016 GA: Mikulas Peksa / PP-CZ Frantisek Navrkal / PP-CZ Harry Hensler / Pirate without Borders" The email listed for the lay auditors is not functioning. It would greatly assist the strain of my job.

b) Our estimate for each party was based on what are surely outdated information from websites. Hence, we appreciate that you have updated your parties totals. I have included the updated numbers you provided in the 2016 table but leave the 2015 table as it was published in 2016. Regarding your Google spreadsheet form, I notice that the formula for calculating the fees is missing: I can add it if you make me an editor, or please feel free to add the formulas.

c) I attach to this email an invoice template for PP Czech for the 2016 affiliation fees. Please update the sections marked ??? with the amounts that PP Czech feels are correct.

d) Yes, we have updated all of the transactions and bank accounts on our Wiki since I started as treasurer in July 2016. I keep the page updated quite routinely, about once a month. Previously, Sebastian, our former treasurer was keeping the pages of transactions and account statements updated. Since 2016, we have consolidated all of our accounts into the Postbank account for our Swiss HQ.

Regarding necessary revisions to the PPI statutes, please contact me separately, and I will be happy to have a chat about revisions that should be proposed. The process is way too vague at the moment, as the 20% rule is not clear about the inclusion of individual membership fees, national stipulated versus received, and other clarifications that should be made.

All the best,

Keith

Thans for the reply

1) oops, I've send you a wrong link. That was last year. This year, im sole delegate: https://wiki.pirati.cz/zo/1_2017

4) Thanks for the clarification, I've tried to update the Membership fee page acordingly.

a) The question now is, i.e. if the fee for 2015 is due 2016, do I need to pay it in 2016 to retain my voting rights for 2016 GA?
or does the sentence from Membership fee rules:
"The first fees are due the next financial year."
Just refraze the statements in statutes?
"(5) Any Ordinary Member which has failed to pay its annual affiliation fee up to and including the end of the fiscal year preceding the General Assembly meeting shall forfeit its right to vote at that meeting of the General Assembly, (...).
?

aa) With that, I suppose, that the decisive day for calculating the fee (number of representatives, annual income) should than be 31.12. of given year. Should we put it on the page?

aaa) You reach them on frantisek.navrkal@pirati.cz, and mikulas.peksa@pirati.cz respectively

b) For 2015, our stats are: 1 elected national pirate, 4 elected regional members, 20 elected municipal members

bb) the calculation is on second sheet of the spreadsheet. Ask for edit rights there.

c) Thanks, i will forward it to our finance departement

d) I see details of all the transactions, which is great, but not bank statements.

TL;DR

máme zaplatit i rok 2015, poslal vzor účetního dokladu, ptám se, kde jsou bank statements: https://redmine.pirati.cz/issues/6075

[Vojtech.Pikal]

Tak asi máme zaplatit jenom rok 2015.

Jdu napsat Boardu, že to do zítřka nestihneme a založit žádost o proplacení. (Nechám ne vedoucím popř. předsednictvu, jestli výdaj schválí.)

[Vojtech.Pikal]

Je publikován zápis, zúčastnil jsem se zhruba 1. půlky.
http://wiki.pp-international.net/Minute ... _GA_2017-1

Máme dva nové observer members, prý je v provozu online systém pro hlasování delegátů, Board udělal skutečně spoustu práce na s zfunkčnění organizace, máme i návrh rozpočtu (je tam spousta dlužných výdajů a shromáždění různě odložených zásob), prý se bude provádět jazyková revize stanov kvůli srozumitelnosti, na stole se objevilo, jestli potřebujeme PPI HQ, podpořil jsem že ne, ale nehlasovalo se.

Tohle končím, členské poplatky PPI si založím úkol. - https://redmine.pirati.cz/issues/6116