PPI Pressrealase k situaci s PP-IT

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PPI Pressrealase k situaci s PP-IT

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V mailing listu PPI se rozběhla zase jedna diskuze nad tím, že si někdo v nějaké jiné zemi uzurpje Pirátské jméno, Tentokrát je to itálie.
Snad se objeví i nějaké výsledky:
Tomorrow a Berlusconi's group will create a Berlusconi's PIRATE PARTY.
We need some support from International Pirate Parties, who want to sign
this press communication:



There's a group of members of the Italian Pirate Party which
has chosen to split and launch its own center-right formation
for the coming elections in February. It has the support of
Mr Scilipoti, one of those politicians who helped the Berlusconi
government survive, over a year ago.

It would be useful for us if the international Pirate movement
where to point out does not support this group and reaffirm its
support for the Italian Pirate Party.

The values of the right cannot be ours, the values of the rights
cannot be of those who fight for liberty, integration, the dignity
of the people and the end of censorship.

The choices of the PP-IT that we share are different. We pick
the occasion to express our support to the Pirate candidate for
mayor of the city of Rome, Josef 'JoJo' Yemane.



thank you
Daniele Monteleone
European Coordinator
PP-IT
Time, Place, Mumble /and/ pad link please.

Proposal:

1: Dumping as much raw data/information about this topic using this mailinglist.
2: Talks, strategical analysis. ( Mumble ) 19:00
3: Drafts in Piratepads.20:00
4: Final drafts in co-ment. 21:00
5: Mumble discussion and voting on final proposal for the PR. 22:00
6: Collaborating PP's sign using the name of their own party and send it to the world via their own and via PPI channels. 23:00

TIMEFRAME: Before morning press journalists go home.
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Aktuální překlad první části toho článku, aby to bylo jen na jednom místě, najdete zde:
medialni-odbor-f181/vybrane-dulezite-zp ... ml#p180941
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Reagoval jsem a dostal jsem zase tradicne nulitni odpoved :)
On 23/12/2012 22:02, Tom Vymazal wrote:
> Did anyone do anything in this matter? One would think the PP-IT would
> be more pro-active in this matter as they want the help of others.
>
> The PP-CZ would more than willingly help you, guys, but will not write
> your press release for you. I believe Samir already did you a favor by
> proposing the sequence of tasks to be done.
>
> Hope to hear from you soon,
>
thank you very much.
let us organize a little bit a text, and a detailed report.

stay tuned and thanx again.
Daniele Monteleone
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Pred nejakou dobou jsem odpovidal na dalsi zoufaly email z PP-IT:
Marco Confalonieri píše:Dear Pirates,

the Pirate Party of Italy is currently collecting signatures for participating in the upcoming elections in one electoral district. However, when our delegate went to the Ministry of the Internal Affairs to register our logo for the elections (which is: http://arti.votopirata.it/2013/symbols/LE.png), he discovered that two fake "Partito Pirata" had already been registered. One of them was registered by Marco Manuel Marsili, who was the one behind this operation:

http://torrentfreak.com/court-orders-co ... ty-120405/

Although at the time he was ordered by a Court to stop his actions, he continued to portray himself as spokesperson of the Pirate Party.
Despite the court order, there is the risk that our Pirate Party could lose the right to use the name Partito Pirata and the use of the pirate signet in all the future italian elections, due to the crooked italian bureaucratic electoral rules.

The support that the international pirate community could give us in the next days, by sending emails to the main italian newspapers, such as:

Il Manifesto <redazione@ilmanifesto.it>
Il Fatto Quotidiano <a.padellaro@ilfattoquotidiano.it>
Il Corriere della Sera <fdebortoli@corriere.it>
La Repubblica <larepubblica@repubblica.it>
ANSA <redazione.internet@ansa.it>
ADN Kronos <segreteria.redazione@adnkronos.com>
Huffington Post <redazione@huffingtonpost.it>
La Stampa <stampaweb@lastampa.it>
L'Unità <unitaonline@unita.it> <politica@unita.it>
Il Secolo XIX <redazione@ilsecoloxix.it>



to the Ministry:

DipartimentoAffariInternieTerritoriali@interno.it

and maintaining us in CC at:

info@partito-pirata.it

could be crucial for us. I understand that many of you would like to know why this sort of problems always come out from Italy, I could only tell you that the Pirate Party in Italy has to fight against decades of political corruption and malpractice that are unbelievable in other countries. And this is why is so important for us to continue with our political action.

I'd propose something similar, but of course you are free to send anything you feel :-)
-----
Dear XXXX,
we are aware that various groups claiming to be the Italian Pirate Party registered logos containing the traditional Pirate Party signet for participating in the upcoming elections. We'd like to inform you that the only italian Pirate Party active in the international Pirate community and recognized as member of Pirate Parties International is the one founded in 2006 and referring to the site:

http://www.partito-pirata.it/

-----

Please support us and wish us good luck for the upcoming elections :-)

Warm regards,
--
Marco Confalonieri
International coordinator
Pirate Party of Italy
http://www.partito-pirata.it
moje odpoved píše:Hello Marco,

I am sorry to be replying so late, although I'm the first one to reply even so, as it seems.

I think I understand your frustration by the situation at hand, however I strongly feel that helping you the way you asked us to wouldn't be very Pirate-like and it might even be in contradiction with the base principles our movement is built upon. What I mean by that is that if we believed the /Pirate Party/idea/know-how/style/aura/whatever can be <hollywood-speak>stolen</hollywood-speak> from a real Pirate Party, then we'd have to believe it would be possible to do the same with a musician's records or filmmaker's movies. And I hope I'm not the only one here who doesn't believe that.

I mean, you can pretend to have written and recorded songs you didn't when the actual author is stupid or when you have a lot of money, but...
  • In the first case you'd probably have to find another artist to steal (literally) from next time because your previous object of interest would have learned their lesson and either become more cautious or stopped doing music by then.
  • In the second case (the premise being: you have a lot of money so you wouldn't steal any crappy music, but you also don't have a ton of money, because then it would be easier for you to just buy it) you'd probably have to find another job or even identity because they would have made it their life's meaning by then to humiliate and ultimately destroy your effing existence completely (figuratively speaking).
But then again, I believe that doesn't happen too often. However, the "hurt-feelings" case (i.e. yours and similar -- no offense intended) is much more common. And I think bringing attention (usually done by the mainstream media but still) to such cases is what brought us to the point where people don't like Pirates because we supposedly want to /steal the authorship/ from the artists (I am sure I'm not the only one who has heard this from people when campaigning in the streets).
The common voter doesn't see a difference between "theft" being used as a pseudonym for "copyright infringement" or a pseudonym for "plagiarism".

I don't want to be mean but I got quite angry when I heard about the litigation that lead to the court order you mentioned. To me that was like Hitler (self-Godwin-alert-bitch-slap) marrying a beautiful Jewish woman or the Pope sleeping with an adult (I had to redeem myself for the Hitler remark). That's just something you don't do.

Okay, enough saying what not to do. Here's what I would suggest based on the little information I've got about your situation. You're running in a single district, you're Pirates and you're not well-known as such enough not to have to deal with such "pirating the Pirate Party" attempts. That means two things. First, you have no chance of actually winning (getting any - /pun intended/ - seats) and you're probably well aware of that, because you couldn't be threatened by the fake PP otherwise. Second, you're not stupid and you'll only have to cover a relatively small area (i.e. not the whole country). Unless I'm wrong, I say, take them on Pirate-style. If you do it cleverly, you shouldn't go down with them. I can hardly tell you any specific ideas
because I don't see how there could be two (three including you) "Partito Pirata" subjects running for the Parliament in the same district and elections. However, if that's really the case, then I suggest you rename your party (to the extent possible and relevant to these particular elections, i.e. not actually renaming the party in the statutes) somehow so that it would distinguish you from the others but wouldn't make you a no-name party. Partito anti-pirata or something of the sort comes to mind. I assume you already thought and spoke about that a thousand times in the party and I believe you have a lot of reasons not to do it... I really do. But then again, what do you have to lose? If you don't secure your position as _the_ PP of Italy, you'll never change anything. And I think only a very few of the members of your party decided to take on politics as a hobby so that they could do politics and not in order to make a real change.

You asked for international Pirate community support. Well, I can't tell whether I speak for the international Pirate community but I sure as hell speak for the whole PP-CZ and this piece of advice (however ill-informed, not-helping, boring, condescending, insulting or even wrong it may be or seem) is most likely the only support you're gonna get from us. That is unless you come with a Pirate-like action we could contribute to in order to help you or damage them.

I hope you understand I wrote what I wrote because I have (what I truly believe to be) your best interests at heart.

Best regards,

Tom Vymazal

--
Head of the International Relations dept.,
The Czech Pirate Party
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Mohu se jen zeptat, ze kdy jsou datovane ty maily a jestli to poslali Tobe osobne nebo na international@pirati.cz?
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Petr Kopac píše:Mohu se jen zeptat, ze kdy jsou datovane ty maily a jestli to poslali Tobe osobne nebo na international@pirati.cz?
Dekuji.
Zeptat se muzes, nicmene by to nemelo byt potreba, protoze jak puvodni email, tak i moje odpoved byly posilany do mailing listu pp-leaders respektive pp-leaders.discussion. Puvodni email byl 14. 1. 2013, moje odpoved pak 18. 2.

Mail byl tedy adresovan vsem mezinarodnim Piratum, procez jsem se na nej neostychal odpovedet.

Miris nekam Petre, nebo jen sondujes, jestlis neco neodignoroval?
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Asi za nas vyreseno, ne? Nic vic s tim nenadelame. Kdyby k tomu snad nekdo mel nejakou aktualni informaci, dejte vedet. Zamykam jako vyresene.
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